Water is a medium that acts to alter the properties of the paint: in this instance, to alter the consistency. Too bad… there are so many things we cannot have here! So try the head to head test. Hi, I’m also in Canada. However, it will probably still be a smaller ratio than the 50/50 you did here. I’ve done a lot of reading and talking to people about archival mediums as I’m planning a big painting to sell. Flood Company Floetrol Acrylic Paint & Stain Conditioner Keeps Paint Flowing 1L 4.4 out of 5 stars 9. I am more like the mad scientist LOL, Also, I am trying to learn the dutch pour. I have searched all the websites of hardware stores I can think of, and none have any product called “Floetrol.” I live in Canada, so I’m wondering whether this is an American brand that isn’t available here. I need a defined chart what to use where. Hmm, well these two look very different. I found it in my local store, but I wouldn’t know where you could get it in the US/UK. It’s one of the joyful things about art, that whatever you create, someone will love it. Ok, so that last test was a bust. And heavens sake no water. Drying – they all took the same amount of time to dry. The pour – all poured the same, and tilted the same on the tile. Dry appearance – well, ugly, but apart from that, there was slightly more gloss to the Liquitex, however both tests with the. I think it just didn’t like my paint or my recipe perhaps. Has anybody used this and if so have you had any success? both products are good but each simply has different properties. Both swipes look beautiful to me and I like the color choices very much. On non-absorbent surfaces, it will increase the fluidity and open (drying) time of the paint. I have never had any cracking with it but I also don’t get cells either. I am not the most organized person to begin with. Is this to reduce the amount of pouring mediums to save money or does it help with preventing cracking? Supplies to Get Started With Acrylic Pouring, The Complete Acrylic Pouring Techniques Guide, 40 Essential Tips for Acrylic Pouring Beginners, Ultimate Guide for Using Silicone to Create Beautiful Cells, 1/2 tsbp of pouring medium made up 50/50 between. I love bright colors, but these were too bright even for me! I notice people are also adding Elmer’s white glue along with the Liquitex/Floetrol if they aren’t concerned about archival properties. Flow Aid breaks the surface tension of the color and gives it a water-like feel. Great controlled test. It was clearly one of those days when nothing seems to go right. I am told that you can find it in branches of Dulux paint or Home Hardware. If you have questions, we have answers! Thank you Janis, Your email address will not be published. If you are starting with very thick paints, then it only makes it harder to tell when they are ‘right’ and you have to add a lot of the additives or water. It probably shouldn’t be up to us to test Liquitex’s product to this degree, but this is a relatively new trend. For the sake of your experiment here, you might not have given Liquitex the best shot. Thanks so much! Hey all, New member here. The medium is a permanent, non-yellowing, flexible and water resistant gel when drying and self-levelling. I have purchased your course and love all your very helpful videos. Hi Deby, I respect that you went out of your way to do this. I’ve tried both too, didn’t really see much difference, but as floetrol is cheaper and I seem to need loads of the stuff…..its floetrol for me. Floetrol is a general purpose paint conditioner that can be used with water based paints like flat or semi-gloss latex, enamel paints, acrylic, or vinyls and is widely available at your local hardware store. Would it be in an art store, or more like a hardware store? Thanks… does it go under another name … nothing coming up for that product on google? There are a lot of other pouring mediums you can try. And entertaining! I get mine at DULUX paint. I am an artist and sell my work so this is important to me to know. Flotrol by itself will always give some cells without oil. We’d love to hear more! Acrylic Pouring Recipes 33 Step-by-Step Formulas from Top Artists Have you ever read or watched a tutorial video and felt Learn Acrylic Pouring: Free Fundamentals Course, Tutorials, Community Discover The Secrets & Techniques to Create Stunning Fluid Acrylic Paintings. Thank you! $10.51 $ 10. With craft, paints try mixing one to one and medium body paints one paint and three medium. Your email address will not be published. More testing? They weren’t pretty colors then so they aren’t pretty now either. If anyone knows this is normal I would appreciate any tips! Floetrol is $17.84 for 1litre at the hardware shop! I am totally confused. If I’m using heavy body acrylic paint (usually in a metal tube or a tub or jar with a lid) I will use up to 10 parts PM to 1 part paint. My GAC800 + Liquitex PM is expensive, so I try to reserve it for premium pieces that I can sell for more money . More testing to come on that – swipes next! Getting set up to start this pouring adventure. Hi, There is a substitute product to Floetrol called XIM which is also much cheaper. I prefer a little color separation personally. I recently bought a 4L tub of Liquitex’s PM that cost a fortune and might have to return it since it’s not looking like it will give the easy results I want with cells and so on, but this will all have to be studied with tests. Another somewhat common addition to homemade pouring medium recipes is Flow-Aid, a product from Liquitex (which also makes pouring medium) that helps increase flow and workability in acrylic paints. When might you use one over the other? Now let’s test how good this is! A rarity in pouring videos! I am hooked! I did torch all of them at the 10:15 mark in the video. The one with Liquitex created cells too, but larger and softer. 1. Flow Improver Flow improver, sometimes called "wetting agent" or "flow aid" (depending on the brand), is another additive you must use sparingly.It thins acrylic paint for use with wash techniques and painting over large areas. 2. It depends on how much volume of paint I mix up. Floetrol vs Liquitex Pouring Medium: Side-by-Side Comparison Test (Part 1) Product Reviews & Tests / cells , experiments , flip cup , pouring mediums , swipe technique At last, I got my hands on the gold standard pouring medium for acrylic pouring and swiping – the Liquitex Pouring Medium . As usual, check out the slideshow below for more pictures of these two swipes, both wet and dry, and some of the closeups of the details. Not to be deterred let’s give it another try, this time with a swipe. But CT, HD and Lowes didn’t have it on their websites so will have to go in store to check. Why did you not “torch” the paint after you poured? I’ve been using Liquitex Pouring Medium and used to get crazing when I didn’t use enough. I was told the Pouring Medium could dilute the hard acrylics into Flow Acrylics….and more dilution would make them pour-able. Hmm, not so good. The Elmer’s glue also has a bit of a cloudy look to it and had some pooling toward the left side of the canvas, the metallic also shines through. Supplies to Get Started With Acrylic Pouring, The Complete Acrylic Pouring Techniques Guide, 40 Essential Tips for Acrylic Pouring Beginners, Ultimate Guide for Using Silicone to Create Beautiful Cells. Have not had much success with it. I know the paint is supposed to be thin but I think this creates the problem. Amazon, the Amazon logo, AmazonSupply, and the AmazonSupply logo are trademarks of Amazon.com, Inc. or its affiliates. I got cracks with the liqitex but not with the floetrol. I was looking for something bright and cheerful and it was a bit of an eyesore in the end, but still, the experiment was useful. Obviously, I start off on the wrong foot by using the same colors as before because I already had these mixed and left over from the last experiment. As follows: I used the same paints in the same colors and mixed up three batches with the recipes above. gessoed canvas) can occur. It’s interesting that the colors which were so horribly ugly for you were satisfying and delightful for me. I know cells are the rage but there are many other pour painting techniques than just a profusion of cells. I love your sense of adventure otherwise. I’d suggest starting out with something easier and turn back to these thick paints once you are a bit more experienced in mixing. My question is, anyone know the difference between Floetrol and Liquitex Flow Aid? But YES the tube are fine so long as they are not oils and are acrylics. Hmm, likely. High flow is different to using acrylics thinned with water. Then a stroke released a new wave of creativity and she began exploring with dot painting, abstract and eventually acrylic pouring, and at last the joy of working with color returned. Poor adhesion from over thinning of acrylic paint with Liquitex Flow-Aid whilst applying to a non-absorbent surface (i.e. Water vs medium vs Flow-aid As the above explains, water, medium and flow-aid are all mediums. See more ideas about liquitex, acrylic, acrylic painting. Looking forward to trying Floetrol. 51. How much silicone do you add to your recipe? 4.7 out of 5 stars 654. As always, you denigrate your fine work. I do 1 part paint, to at least 1 part LPM now and I haven’t had any problems. The Amazon price is the same as CT and you can get 1 qt or a gallon…. Liquitex/Floetrol do not add depth of color, or any color for that matter to ones paint. I rather LOVED the colors!!!! Join us to connect with fellow pourers, get beginners tips, giveaways and more. I noticed that the order of what color you added was not the same in the first cup as you did for the 2nd and 3rd cups. Ok, so that last test was a bust. Required fields are marked *, Our Facebook Group is the largest in the world with over 95,000 fluid artists. Your email address will not be published. The directions for the liquitex flow-aid (bought at Hobby Lobby) are to dilute it with water. This could lead to cracking or flaking. You can see my video review and results HERE. you had all the colors in it? I am going to try this for the first time. I only hope Liquitex are already going deep into this. I would say for the small amounts that I mix in the pots with lids, 2-3 drops and for the 8oz squeeze bottles, I add 10-12 drops in total. Floetrol VS Luiquitex Flow-Aid. Thanks Fran for that info – I’m in BC, and looking for Floetrol. Liquitex likely hasn’t been made/tested for combining with them, so that’s a factor disturbing the expected results (50/50 mix obviously but your 100% mix still has silicone). I layered up the paints on the tiles, swiped and let’s see what happened. Ask they do is help with the flow of the paint. the only problem with using water to get the fluidity of the paints means you’re breaking down the binders. bottles of thinner) $10.51 You can buy distilled water but I use filtered water from my refrigerator, so it could be free. I want to try Acrylic pouring so I’ve been watching videos. This means that getting a more even experiment might actually mean using different ratios for different mediums! It is advertised as not causing cracks and I haven’t had any. I can’t buy it here on the island so I ordered some via the Acrylic Pouring Store and had it shipped in. ... FLOOD/PPG FLD6-04 Floetrol Additive (1 Quart) 4.7 out of 5 stars 4,939. But its not the only option. Then a stroke released a new wave of creativity and she began exploring with dot painting, abstract and eventually acrylic pouring, and at last the joy of working with color returned. So OK my colors choices were bad. On the other hand, I’ve done two side by side swipes before that turned out just this different. Are the basically the same thing? I decided on a three-part test. Paint along with her and learn from her many mistakes, and you’ll soon make great art together. The shop assistant at my Eckersley’s art store says Liquitex didn’t behave well to torching in their experience but did create cells by being swiped, e.g. Floetrol is Acrylic based. My experiments have already used quite a lot of my precious bottle, so now I have to decide what to do next. 5 Things You Should Know About Floetrol vs Liquitex The practice of pouring artist paints is not a new way of applying paint, getting better results may be costly and frustrating. I spent 80 dollars on a gallon of Liquitex gloss pour medium. I even spoke to the people at Flood about it. For more free tips and guides on acrylic pouring check out our guides below: After being told in high school that she was so bad at art that she should switch to another subject, Deby didn’t paint again for 35 years. If I am using paint from plastic tubes, I increase the amount of pouring medium to 3-4 parts PM to 1 part paint. So I’m comparing my ‘old’ recipe of paint, Floetrol, water and silicone on the one side and in the second pour, I’ve replaced half of the Floetrol with Liquitex Pouring Medium. Floetrol has NOT been banned in Canada or anywhere. Poor adhesion from over thinning of acrylic paint with Liquitex Flow-Aid whilst applying to a non-absorbent surface (i.e. Yes Floetrol is a latex paint extender usually found in DIY stores. Enhance your latest masterpiece with this fantastic Liquitex String Gel, a type of effect medium with a beautiful glossy and transparent sheen. One problem is when I use the hair dryer it blows bare spots in my canvas. Required fields are marked *, Our Facebook Group is the largest in the world with over 95,000 fluid artists. Is one superior to the other? Opinions on Liquitex Pouring Medium vs. GAC 800 vs. Floetrol? Do you happen to know what the non-brand name of Floetrol is? This depends on the paint too, as Liquitex recommends this ratio for their soft body paints, which likely have a higher pigment count compared to cheaper brands. Happy to answer your questions. Always make a test piece for your particular application and surface. I go in studio/shed to varnish or something and while I’m there an idea springs out and I have to try it right then! Acrylic Pouring for Beginners (Start Here), How to do Your First Acrylic Pour – Step By Step Guide, Liquitex PM vs Floetrol Pouring Medium Comparison (Side-by-Side Test Part 2). Why did you use “tile” instead of canvas? what is the difference between flow aid and pouring medium. The Floetrol is inert once dry so won’t affect the UV reistance or light fastness of your paints so long as I am aware. I use a tile when I am practicing or experimenting because they are easy to wipe off and reuse. Here are my results of the side by side test of the pouring mediums in the video below. Amazon, the Amazon logo, AmazonSupply, and the AmazonSupply logo are trademarks of Amazon.com, Inc. or its affiliates. Thinking to return the Liquitex now if no one swears by one over the other. I think that already mixes the paint sufficiently. Sep 25, 2018 - Explore Iris Soto's board "Liquitex", followed by 246 people on Pinterest. Also try Home Depot, Cloverdale Paint and Canadian Tire. Just curious if you have experienced longer drying times using this technique? Fully intermixable with all Liquitex products; First dilute your concentrated Flow Aid with water - 1 part Flow Aid to 20 parts water - distilled water will give the best results. Most of the videos I have seen of this process do a few other thigs consistently that you did not do and because of that, I have a few questions: Not to be deterred let’s give it another try, this time with a swipe. Hopefully you have already found that out since this post is a bit older but I thought it could help someone else too! Water and other additives will easily ruin it. Use with Liquitex Soft Body color to create very fluid washes without hard edges. This is a thick medium that improves the depth of colour and increases transparency, body and flow. Just smallerso watch the ratios . The Liquitex website says you should mix “95% medium to 5% color”. May 18, 2014 - Explore Barbara Dreyfus's board "Liquitex Acrylic Ink", followed by 160 people on Pinterest. Minimum dilution: 1 part Liquitex Flow-Aid to 10 parts distilled water to achieve Flow-Aid Water. No immediate difference seen or felt during paint mixing. It is used to dilute house paint going through paint sprayer. What about its archival qualities will it stand up well in UV light. It IS very useful for other projects and I find it indispensable. I’ve done a lot of research trying to find ways to get good results and control of cells whilst being archival and it isn’t looking good. I have my first piece still “wet” under the surface and its been over 24 hours. Liquitex Effects can only be mixed directly with paint for the correct outcome. I will try Floetrol as Liquitex is extreamly expensive here in Australia. $7.98 $ 7. Much less expensive too. You can change color opacity, drying time and texture, and protect your finished work. Never easy when you change up something to a different product. Flow-Aid Fluid Additive increases the flow, absorbency, and blending of any water-based paint, ink, or dye. Apparently, in Canada it has been banned because of environmental legislation. This is great information, thank you for sharing with us! Yes you can thin them, but when you are starting out, getting the right paint consistency is the most difficult thing. Flow Aid Medium - Breaks water tension to improve flow, absorbency and blending of any water based paint, ink or dye and minimizes brush strokes. But its very similar to the XIM and the Zinnsser product too. I like cells. The cracks are probably from the water added to the liquitex pm or maybe the silicone. Floetrol Pouring Medium for Acrylic Paint | Flood Flotrol Additive | Pixiss Acrylic Pouring Oil for Creating Cells Perfect Flow 100% Pure High Grade Silicone (100ml/3.3-Ounce) 4.7 out of 5 … I don’t really measure measure but I use much more Liquidtex than I do paint. I also use golden high flow acrylics and only need to add a few drops of color to the pm. I’ll be interested to hear if any of you have carried out any similar testing and what conclusions you came to. It was basically 1 tablespoon of paint, to a half tablespoon of either the Floetrol or the Liquitex (or the 50/50 mix of each), plus about a teaspoon of water, as needed. After being told in high school that she was so bad at art that she should switch to another subject, Deby didn’t paint again for 35 years. And, as always, your pouring videos are both interesting and informative. I've purchased a few bottles of Liquitex PM, but it runs out so quickly I just can't do it when Floetrol is $13.97 at Lowe's (which is walking distance from my apartment).